I think it’s Doug Cooke, presenting NASA things to the panel:
Key exploration objectives slide:
2. To ensure sustainability, development and operations costs must be minimized
Oh my.
Next thing: [these things] “drives you to heavy lift”. Excuse me?
EDIT:
Of all these goals in the slide, Ares I goes directly AGAINST each, except maybe for point 6, separate crew from cargo. It is mind boggling.